Curse

Shadow of Light · Jan 13, 2007, 04:59 AM // 04:59

I post this in light of this thread:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10102269

These presents are a part of the following Wintersday quest based in Elona:

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Find_the_Stolen_Presents

Now that Wintersday is over, these items are useless (except perhaps until next year). Some very dedicated scammers, however, seemed to have spent Wintersday amassing as many of these Quest Items as possible so they could be used to fool people into thinking they were actual Wintersday Presents.

A solution? Purge all these items from the game before more people get scammed.

And for Wintersday 2007, please don't make them physical items. XD

MegaMouse · Jan 13, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

/SIGNED

Too many scammers are getting rich from players who do not know better. Delete them as soon as possible.

Mega Mouse

I Phoenix I · Jan 13, 2007, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Or perhaps people should just look at what they're buying? That would prevent a lot of scams...Also, is it fair for those who have saved the Stolen Presents for next year's Wintersday to use in the quest?

Heck, let's remove all dyes except Gray because they all look the same...

Shadow of Light · Jan 13, 2007, 11:48 AM // 11:48

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Originally Posted by I Phoenix I

Or perhaps people should just look at what they're buying? That would prevent a lot of scams...

Yes, they should. But there have been instances where people who haven't done the Wintersday quest (remember it was only available in Nightfall) simply didn't know any better.

You'll never be able to make everyone aware, or stop everyone from making mistakes. Ever.

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Also, is it fair for those who have saved the Stolen Presents for next year's Wintersday to use in the quest?

I doubt many honest people will be seriously inconvenienced, since the quest calls for a grand total of 6 (easily attained) of these presents.

Aegeroth · Jan 13, 2007, 02:47 PM // 14:47

Yes, but unfortunately some damage has been dealt and that is unreclaimable.

/signed anyway.

KamikazeChicken · Jan 13, 2007, 02:59 PM // 14:59

Darwin comes to mind.

Patrick Smit · Jan 13, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Darwin comes to mind.

Groups overcome darwins postulation, look at human society. Though initialy darwins theory was flawed by influences of outsiders to the more popular (and also more incorrect) "survival of the fittest".

Pro Border Crosser · Jan 13, 2007, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Darwin comes to mind.

Idiots who fall for the scam the Gazelle and the Scammers the Lions?

Skye Marin · Jan 13, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Now that I'm educated about this, I'll do my part to avoid it.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Jan 13, 2007, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Doing the actual quests is a great way to avoid the possibilities of being scammed. I still see people buying belt pouches in Pre-Searing, Bear Pelts, Poison Stingers, etc.

Personally, I like how ANet allowed for a player market of most quest items (Althea's Ashes) but you have to use a little thought before taking these shortcuts.

When I first started the game, I was very proud of myself for making 700 gold on a Black Dye in Pre-Searing. Was I scammed? Only if you consider it possible to scam yourself.

Jesse · Jan 13, 2007, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Some people in this world are really just STUPID!!!! When buying something they see thats a good deal or mabey even too good to be true they just rush , submit money, and accept. Take time to look at what your buying and stop complaining about all this horse(figure it out). This is just a bunch of people who got scammed and thought that mabey wasting others time might help relieve them of their greif

/notsigned like all the rest

Vahn Roi · Jan 13, 2007, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Since all I am seeing in this topic is asshatry in response rather than a valid reason as to why these quest items should stay in the game...

/signed

KamikazeChicken · Jan 13, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

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Originally Posted by Pro Border Crosser

Idiots who fall for the scam the Gazelle and the Scammers the Lions?

Let's call the "scammers" a bovine infected with bovine spongiform encephalopathy. The idiots are the players who would actually eat the meat.

Xenex Xclame · Jan 13, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Instead of removing these gifts and then we get the scammers + legit players whine about Anet removing stuff they gained.
Just make new skin for it completly diff problem solved.

Grais · Jan 13, 2007, 08:26 PM // 20:26

This might seem harsh, I am sorry for that.
This is nothing NEW.Been around in differning forms since, I would venture to guess, DAY ONE.
Anet puts IMO, and many others as well, very sufficient SCAM PREVENTION DEVICE, IT IS CALLED THE ACCEPT BUTTON, if you refuse to use them properley, IF YOU REFUSE TO READ WHAT IS ABOUT TO BE TRADED, well then you are open to getting scammed.
Then you come and blame it on Anet and ask for them to fix something that is not broken, I have very little to no sympathy for such individuals, Im sorry.
FIX it yourself, read what is about to be traded, I mean WAKEUP, and YOU WILL NEVER BE SCAMMED.

Lex Talionis · Jan 14, 2007, 12:09 AM // 00:09

/signed

There are young kids who plays this game too and sometimes they make a huge mistake. Don't remove the item just change the skin. My 2 cents on the matter.

Shadow of Light · Jan 14, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Doing the actual quests is a great way to avoid the possibilities of being scammed.

Agreed, but when a quest is situated in Elona and you don't have Nightfall...

For the record, I have not fallen for this scam. I posted this on behalf of people who *have* (no one I know personally, though) in the hopes that future victims won't suffer.

The overwhelming sentiment in this thread, however, is to crucify the people who'd been unfortunate enough to fall for it rather than yank out the teeth of the scammers. While I didn't expect an overwhelming chorus of support to stop something that could easily be removed without affecting the game (as the quest is no longer available), I expected better than cries of People are Stupid or Idiots Deserve What They Get.

Heaven forbid people actually take a stand against the scammers.

Kai Nui · Jan 14, 2007, 05:16 AM // 05:16

I think it's a great idea, I'd be out there exploiting this if I'd thought of it. I mean honestly, who here has never played at least one cookie cutter build in their entire life. For once, it looks like the people who thought it up get the reward and those who didn't end up being jealous. I'm sure a lot of people would be jealous if the 55 monk was only allowed to be used by the people who invented it. So chill out and let a small minority get it's payoff.

sykoone · Jan 14, 2007, 06:51 AM // 06:51

You think scamming someone is a great idea? This isn't about builds, this is about the lowlife scum that get their fun ripping off other people. Those here that are signing this aren't jealous they didn't think of it, their just sick and tired of the jerks that are too lazy to actually play the game to get cash, and decide to take it from someone else.

/signed

Arkantos · Jan 14, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

Why should they remove this from the game? If someone gets scammed with these presents, it's a lesson. Don;t rush though stuff, especially trades. It's their fault they got scammed with it.